tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29946685.post116164863575996332..comments2023-05-21T10:03:48.235-05:00Comments on The Chesterteens: Black and White, Yes and no....Riahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06384657033530822368noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29946685.post-1161902678264605992006-10-26T17:44:00.000-05:002006-10-26T17:44:00.000-05:00In a sense, the whole of TEM is about this, and it...In a sense, the whole of TEM is about this, and it is GKC's one "complete" book (the whole book is a unity - the Christocentric view of history). <BR/><BR/>The specific discussion is in Part II chapter V, "The Escape From Paganism" - in particular, see the second last paragraph which begins "To sum up". For your later work, you ought to see if you can find a copy of <I>The Tolkien Reader</I> which has his essay. Perhaps you (or the ChesterTeens!) will give a speech on "Story, for GKC and JRRT" at a future ChesterCon. <BR/><BR/>And I must say that I am very pleased to hear that you are "reading" TEM...Dr. Thursdayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04666301445831509481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29946685.post-1161803710203026542006-10-25T14:15:00.000-05:002006-10-25T14:15:00.000-05:00Unfortunatly I haven't yet got to that part in The...Unfortunatly I haven't yet got to that part in The Everlasting Man (I'm listening to the audio book). Which chapter is it in????? Perhaps I should take out the book and read that part. <BR/>And please do drag in Tolkien, I've only read LOTR and The Silmarilion by him but I love his writing. Ahh so much to read.<BR/><BR/>I will post the discussion question directly. Very interesting, that may make a topic of conversation for places other then here as well. It may take me a little while to formulate my, at the moment, very vague and small ideas.Riahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06384657033530822368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29946685.post-1161715846993633562006-10-24T13:50:00.000-05:002006-10-24T13:50:00.000-05:00Wow, a very rich selection! All kinds of starting ...Wow, a very rich selection! All kinds of starting points, with many connections to "Thursday". Quite amazing - the whole chapter might be GKC's commentary on Harry Potter, Tolkien, Oz, and the final, unanswerable rebuttal (a la Thomas Aquinas) to their detractors.<BR/><BR/>One idea which leaped out for me came from this "God giving his creative life to mankind as such".<BR/><BR/>This is discussed at length in GKC's <I>The Everlasting Man</I> in relation to the One Story - and by Tolkien in a very important essay called "On Fairy Stories" - and now that I have (as is my wont) dragged in Tolkien, I may connect to "Thursday" by calling your attention to this bit of dialogue:<BR/><BR/>"I was waiting for you," said Gregory. "Might I have a moment's conversation?"<BR/><BR/>"Certainly. About what?" asked Syme in a sort of weak wonder. <BR/><BR/>Gregory struck out with his stick at the lamp-post, and then at the tree.<BR/><BR/>"About <I>this</I> and <I>this</I>," he cried; "about order and anarchy. There is your precious order, that lean, iron lamp, ugly and barren; and there is anarchy, rich, living, reproducing itself - there is anarchy, splendid in green and gold."<BR/><BR/>"All the same," replied Syme patiently, "just at present you only see the tree by the light of the lamp. I wonder when you would ever see the lamp by the light of the tree."<BR/><BR/>Question for discussion: how does TMWWT fit into the Tolkien view of subcreation? Side question for speculation: Do the Two Trees of Valinor have their seed in this dialogue?Dr. Thursdayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04666301445831509481noreply@blogger.com